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  1. Thank you for this podcast!  I am only on Part 2 and already there has been a lot that I needed to hear.  I especially appreciate 的discussion on sexual abuse (Natasha I think it would be awesome if you did an entire podcast on that topic).  I look forward to listening to parts 3-5.  Thanks again!

  2. 几乎完成了第3部分。尽管我绝对喜欢(并且非常有用)像Michael Coe,Daniel Peterson等人的eps,但是这些类型的情节是我在《摩门教徒故事》中最喜欢的。有时候,我只是想听听故事和经历,而不是“issues”本身。被邀请加入这个家庭是一种荣幸’的生活,了解他们的经历,并进一步了解精神疾病–这些事情发生在很多人身上,我们很多人可能都没有’t very aware –在社会层面上可能,但在个人/病房层面上可能不那么重要。辛苦了

  3. Really incredible stuff. A big thanks to 的family for being able to open up like that. As someone who has family members who at 的very least have some psychological 问题, this gave me a lot to ponder, and hopefully apply.

  4. I’我刚刚开始,但已经是母亲’关于考虑自己的讨论“active”即使按照机构标准她也会被认为“inactive”真的打我尽管我通常都对摩门教的严格正统观念感到困惑,但这些术语“active” and “inactive”真正突出了摩门教徒对矫正和机构忠诚的重视。我是认真的’就在那儿。基于这种标准的领导力认可的词汇表,优秀的现代圣徒最基本的特征就是他们的出勤率。不’留给没有接受圣徒团契的信徒多大的空间。

    I think from a historical perspective 的modern religious movements have generally been confessional and focused on personal beliefs while 的religions of antiquity were mostly concerned with one’s behavior. Compare, for example, Judaism to Calvinism. Because Mormonism is a restoration of 的old it strives to bend to 的demands of both orthopraxy and orthodoxy. Is one ever more important than 的other in Mormonism?

    One more thing. I just have to say I love 的mother’s phrase “Don’t blue sky me, God!”为什么我以前从未听说过?

  5. I only listened to 的first hour of Mormon Families dealing with 精神疾病. 它的标题不正确。 There was maybe a few minutes spent on ANY 精神疾病 问题 and 的rest was surviving breast cancer. While this story was stowic and showed much courage – it was not at all about fighting 的pain and trials of 精神疾病. I was really quite surprised by 的title and, to be honest, offended.

    Maybe 的other hours of these interviews are different but I am not motivated to listen to them. The true nature of “mental illness” was not even touched on in 的first hour.

    1. 致雅各布·布朗:
      致:雅各布·布朗

      上帝从来没有“blue skies”任何人。您到过很多地方,犹他州的土著居民太多了。信念永远不会自动“yes” to a prayer when times 得到 tough. If you can’t count on 的Lord to be honest with you -who is left? My advice is to step out of 的Mormon pop-culture and use 的actual church doctrine and Christ Himself, to stake our faith in.

      我们摩门教徒最常见的错误’使?是判断我们的“insides” against others “outsides”。像我们在这里听到的故事发生的频率比我们意识到的要多得多。

      ie., My stalwart mother was denied a recommend by a Skate President who was later found dead in a gay bar. It is through a personal relationship with 的Savior that 得到s you through a trial like this!

      1. I just thought 的phrase was a colorful expression of how someone might 感觉 as they wrestle with a seemingly distant deity.

        犹他州很美,但我从未住过那里。我去过那里几次。实际上,我在过去的德克萨斯州东南部的威廉姆森定居区长大。威廉·威廉姆森(William Williamson)在1890年代后期由年轻的传教士约瑟夫·布鲁克斯(Joseph Brooks)长老converted依。这有点独特,因为在12,000左右的德克萨斯州小镇上,有3或4个病房。我认为这在正常的摩门教徒领土之外是闻所未闻的。我不会’不会说我们拥有自己的摩门教品牌,但这绝对不是’t Utah. 🙂

    2. 它的标题不正确。

      实际上,它的标题是适当的。它’s titled perfectly.

      There was maybe a few minutes spent on ANY 精神疾病 问题 and 的rest was surviving breast cancer. While this story was stowic and showed much courage – it was not at all about fighting 的pain and trials of 精神疾病. I was really quite surprised by 的title and, to be honest, offended.

      :: 转动眼球 ::
      Well, no one is going to try to persuade you to listen to 的rest but this is a bit like a protestant 得到ting mad at an LDS first discussion because God is 的focus instead of Christ. BTW, you have more comments on this thread than anyone else, but you’re 的only person who hasn’t listened past 的first episode. But Whatevs.

  6. 致Collings2 

     I understand your frustration with 的first hour and 的focus on breast cancer. 我不’t believe that was 的intention. Perhaps Natasha wasn’t aware of it when 的conversation started. I believe she did know 的impact it could have on depression and mental health and pursued it for that reason. 

    您r decision not to listen to anymore of 的interview is certainly one you 得到 to make for yourself.  I can only tell you that if you go on, you will find there is much dialogue about mental health, diagnoses, treatments, and 的devastation it can have on individuals and loved ones. The title being not quite right does not negate 的information. I, for one, am glad I followed it through. 迪 fferences in people is what makes 的world go round. 

    1. I will add that in my experience, a significant trauma often precedes onset of 精神疾病….so 的breast cancer is certainly not irrelevant, in my view.

      1. John, are you forgetting this sister had a suicide attempt long before 的onset of her cancer diagnosis? This sister, unlike many who suffer with 精神疾病, managed to throw herself into her kis activities, church callings, etc.. Serious mental 问题 tend to be paralyzing —使一个人无法充分发挥作用。

        即使我没有’t heard 的following parts, one must suspect that there were significant traumas preceding 的cancer. With or without “mental illness” 的news of a terminal illness would cause depression in pretty much everyone…

        For those of you who have heard all 的parts of this series, which part actually addresses 精神疾病 and Mormon families?

        1. This sister, unlike many who suffer with 精神疾病, managed to throw herself into her kis activities, church callings, etc.. Serious mental 问题 tend to be paralyzing —使一个人无法充分发挥作用。

          Umm, what? Certainly some people react to mental 问题 with paralyzing fear, anxiety, and complete lethargy, perhaps even 的majority. But there are high functioning 精神疾病 patients who actually manage to do a lot of incredible things in conjunction with their illness (e.g. John Nash). It isn’t necessarily an indicator of 的“seriousness”他们的精神疾病。

          For those of you who have heard all 的parts of this series, which part actually addresses 精神疾病 and Mormon families?

          在典型的MormonStories时尚中,这是一个故事。它’选择一个部分并说出来不是那么容易“看哪,这是处理精神疾病和摩门教徒家庭的部分。”第一集主要是为其他部分准备安装。一世’m not sure what you’在这里重新找寻,但我觉得无论以后发生什么事,您都会感到失望,因为您似乎已经对自己的期望设定了想法。我高度怀疑世界上还有许多其他摩门教徒家庭比我的人患有精神疾病(肯定其他人的形式有所不同,并曾处理过很多精神疾病,但我母亲在60岁的全部时间里都生活了一生,作为她的儿子,我’我已经忍受了这一切。另外,不要’读到这个陈述比我读得更多’ve written. I’我没有夺走我的生命’比其他人更难’s.)

          The main thrust of 的interview from my point of view is 的reconciliation between myself and my mother after many horrible years during which I judged her harshly with what I felt were Gospel truths. These stereotypes and opinions were corroborated by others in 的ward and friends I have. Overcoming this mentality, and 的ensuing love that developed once I let go of those ideas are 的messages I wanted to convey.

          1. 哇JMB,

            保持计数能力的风格— you, JMB, now have 的highest word count on this thread. But as you said so succinctly in your previous post, “whatevs”.

            I’比您的母亲小了,她有六个成年子女和四个孙子女。既然你似乎意识到自己没有’t have a corner 的market when it comes to pain, you may try to steer clear of preconceived ideas of what I expect from these stories or any other subject.

            Checking your attitude at 的door may prove to be helpful.

            C2

          2. I’m confused C2 – why 的reactivity? JMB bears his soul to 的listeners here and you’要他检查一下自己的态度?它’s a pretty vulnerable thing to open up like this. Go easy. Let this story soften you. 看s past 的edges and into hearts.

          3. Shenpaawarrior,

            Apparently JMB has posted here prior to his specific quoted attacks on my 2 posts. That was 的only context I had to his heartfelt posting. From what you have said in your post, I am missing some kind of 特权 background.

            我比任何人都拥有更多’s fair share of ECT and so many combinations of medications that I now have stage lll kidney failure along with beginning heart failure and a cancer diognosis. I guess my direct link to strength to God is severely lacking in comparison to 的rest of you.

            我唯一的观点是,涉及精神疾病的摩门教徒家庭的名称具有误导性—到目前为止,第一部分。颇具讽刺意味的是,根据点政府统计,犹他州在全美排名第51位’应对精神疾病的能力—实际上排在美属萨摩亚之后。仅此而已,就足以说明LDS人们如何认识到精神疾病,甚至还不止于此。“it’只是在您的脑海–摆脱困境”. All in all, it’不被视为医疗状况。

            您’re right though —我应该放手我期望太高了…

          4. 祝福你的心C2,我也想念这个特权背景,因为我不知道’从这里的上下文中了解您的反应能力。我的“privileged”背景是我听了播客。这让您感到失望,我同意您的意见。一世’我很抱歉冒犯了你–谁说过任何与神直接联系的事情’有吗?您是否因为受了那么多痛苦(比听起来多得多)而难过并且没有同情心?

          5. 保持计数能力的风格— you, JMB, now have 的highest word count on this thread. But as you said so succinctly in your previous post, “whatevs”.

            老兄不知道为什么’re reacting like this. 您 came on this thread claiming to be offended, calling 的title inaccurate after having listened to one episode (hardly enough to justify any judgment at all). The reason I called you out is because your initial reaction is just silly. I’m sorry, again, not wanting to offend but 的title perfectly and succinctly describes 的podcast 在里面’s entirety. 我不’不知道该说些什么。它’s like saying “The 摩尔门经 –耶稣基督的另一约”这个名字很不好,因为它始于有关Lehi和Nephi的故事。

            既然你似乎意识到自己没有’t have a corner 的market when it comes to pain, you may try to steer clear of preconceived ideas of what I expect from these stories or any other subject.

            我不’不知道你期望什么。但是你写了“Maybe 的other hours of these interviews are different but I am not motivated to listen to them.” I hardly think it a stretch, or judgmental, for me to conclude you will likely not 得到 what you expect out of them. Nevertheless, I’对不起,如果我冒犯了你。 

            I 感觉 bad this thread is now devolved into squabbling and has taken away from 的message. I think this story has great potential to help people who both struggle with 精神疾病 themselves as well as family members (members of 的church or not) who live with those who struggle.

            And 柯林斯2 的“backstory” as it were, is no more complicated than 的fact that I’m 的son in 的podcast. I thought that was obvious since Natasha announced it, but maybe it isn’t. Hopefully you’ll be willing to give it another chance as I do think it will be valuable for you. But do as you 感觉 you should.

          6. JMB,

            I’m sorry for your loss. As you know, in 的first segment, you barely spoke. I only caught that there were two “J’s” in your mother’s story. I’确保您的生活真恐怖。我知道,尽管我尽了最大的努力,我的孩子’一生都过。我试图告诉他们,没有人能为他们提供干净的基因库,以及为什么坏事会发生在好人身上。它没有’t help much when 的memories come crashing through at each new melt-down.

            我的一些家庭基本上把我撇下来,祈祷他们不要’t 得到 it or pass it along to their own children. The drama is simply too much for them to be around me.

            非常感谢您向您解释自己的身份,以便我有更多的背景可以借鉴。我希望我可以为孩子们提供更多,但我的“best”通常被视为我的“worst”.

            如果每个片段都有一个字幕,可能会对其他人有所帮助– much like 的Book of Mormon is divided by author and chapters.

        2. 您是在说要能够发挥不可思议的内部力量才能成为她的家庭不可或缺的一部分并举行负责任的教会召唤吗?“real mental health” 问题? If that is your conclusion, I must say you are incredibly naive as well as judgmental.

          你对约翰说她“had a suicide attempt before her cancer and that you suspected there were significant traumas preceding 的cancer.”  I guess this is something you will never know as you seem determined not to hear 的whole story. In fact, earlier traumas are discussed. The kinds of traumas that many will not talk about privately let alone acknowledge openly to 的world. 

          人们不会去精神病院(多次)度假,也不会享受ECT的乐趣!看来您想为这个家庭故事提供某种辩护,以保证播客的成功,但又拒绝进一步冒险看看它可能是什么。这对我来说是一个难题。为什么这样的问题让您不愿成为…也许错了?如果是我而我没有’t “get”它,我会继续前进。我再次说,人与人之间的差异使世界变得有趣。

          This story is one of courage, imbalance, incredible honesty, great pain physically, mentally, and emotionally, and more.  It is 的kind of story that can and has literally torn families apart, never to reconcile. What rises above all else is 的love and commitment they had to be brutally honest with each other, accept what was and had been, forgive and determine to go forward in 的healthiest of ways. 

          It is good to hear you will not be finishing 的series as 我不’相信您会找到想要的东西。

          1. 得知您的健康状况,我感到抱歉。接受并前进是一件困难的事情。

            你的评论“that alone, speaks volumes about how 的LDS people acknowledge 精神疾病 even being anything more than “it’只是在您的脑海–摆脱困境”. All in all, it’不被视为医疗状况。”

            This too was addressed in 的following segments. A good friend suggested to 的mom, “你知道该做什么。只是祈祷,并祈求上帝从你这里夺走它。”  Her reply was good and applicable to all who are struggling with health 问题, whether physical or mental.

            我还没有听到有人宣布与上帝有直接联系。我听到了那些对愿意谈论棘手话题的人表示感谢的人。抱歉,这对您没有帮助。我们都需要希望,而当一个人严重沮丧时,这是很难拥有的。 

            My hope for you is that you find 的information that will be helpful to you.

          2. 谢谢布拉德利。

            我已经尽力提供了可用的治疗方法。我文档中的确切文字是“我们无计可施”. What they probably meant was that 的only thing that would help now WAS a bullet!

            正如我的主教向我保证,在2010年圣诞节前两天(母亲去世两周后),我的思想就和他一样。我的状况与色情工作者或手淫者没有什么不同 –我只是面对虚弱的诱惑。他建议我去跑步。显然,他一定以为救护车,药品,医院和ECT的乘驾都是度假。

            I have 撕裂的关系永远无法修复。失去家人,勉强跟我说话的孩子等等。. My job on earth is over and my mission here fulfilled. It’现在就等…

            It’s not an exclusive train of thought for LDS, however, 的perfectionism of 的Mormon culture heaps insult to injury, even with their 最好 intentions.

          3. 不假设,但听起来您有很多话要说,听的人并不多。 

             I have walked paths that are similar to yours. I will not say 的same as yours, for no two situations are ever 的same.  I had those who told me to bake cookies, take meals to others, etc.   Really!?   I wanted to scream. This is not about baking or cooking. If it were,  I would have no problems for I have done that to 的nth degree.  Similar to “go for a run?”

            那件事“truthordare” and “jmb275”在说可以申请你…我重述时请听一下。 Truthordare说“这是一个可以使家庭分裂的故事,永远也无法调和。”听起来跟你说的差不多“撕裂的关系永远无法修复。失去家人,勉强跟我说话的孩子等等。”

            jmb275说,“我认为这个故事具有巨大的潜力,可以帮助那些自己患有精神疾病的人们以及与那些挣扎的人生活在一起的家庭成员(无论是教会成员与否)。他还说,“the “backstory” as it were, is no more complicated than 的fact that I’m 的son in 的podcast.”  Try to “feel” 的courage it took for him to put aside his fears and talk about “his life” while growing up.

             Again, I ask you to listen with heart, not head. These kinds of stories are NEVER easy for those involved to tell. It opens up old wounds and can sometimes create new 问题 to deal with. From my experience, not many are willing to openly talk about such sensitive events in their lives, inviting others in, while knowing 的possibility of more pain or ridicule. I can almost promise you that this was not done without great forethought. Can intentions really be so pure as to truly want to help others who might be near 的end of coping?  I believe they can. 

            As jmb275 said,  THIS was 的story mother and son wanted to tell. It is possible to repair relationships. It is possible to have immense compassion and love for one another after much pain. It is possible to be brutally honest with each other, yet still love. It was stated several times that their relationship took years to rebuild and it was worth 的price.

            请敞开心to。您永远都不知道什么时候家庭动力可能会改变并且心会改变。

             

          4. 谢谢大家’s added their thoughts to what started as simply pointing 的misleading nature of 的lead in and titling of this series. Thank you for 的rolling eyes and condescending projections by some as well as caring thoughts of others.

            I’m signing off 的thread to 的relief of many here. I’我非常有信心,我小时候有足够的强奸故事,虐待故事和治疗故事足以断定我可以同情所有人。

            我为这个非同寻常的家庭感到万分激动,他们千方百计地来到了和平之中。

            但是,即使是遭受了我所经历的类似苦难的人,我也显然感到失望。我能做多糟糕???????????

          5. C2 –不用管我以前有关反应性的帖子。您’ve现在已经很好地解释了。

            返回之前的一些评论–在2010年,任何一位主教说沮丧就像色情片一样,他的想法都不对。那’几乎有人会这么说。在播客中,我也很惊讶有人说“只是问上帝从你那里拿走” –当然,请上帝把它从你那里拿走,但要假设他’我会干吗?只是因为有人问?我想,当您拥有jmb和他的母亲的所有经历时,其他人从木制品中得到了奇怪的想法。 ðŸ™,

  7. It is sad that 的comments became so convoluted and distracting. The solution was simple. If this podcast was not a good fit for you, shut it off and move on.  It really is that simple.

  8. Well I very much appreciated 的discussion. I find it very hard to relate to those with 精神疾病 sometimes, having been lucky enough to never  have gone through anything. I can sympathize, but nothing in my experience allows me to empathize. Open, raw discussions like these allow people like me to 得到 insight into 的kind of struggles those around me deal with. Again, thank you for your honesty, I’m sure it wasn’t easy.

    1. Thank you for 的kind words. I’m really glad you enjoyed it. It took a lot of effort to 得到 to 的point where we could discuss 的问题 so openly. Hopefully people benefit from it.

  9. 感谢您愿意公开讨论此类敏感和个人话题。我妈妈患有严重的抑郁症,最终死于癌症。不幸的是,我没有’我以为我从未真正了解过她在世时所经历的事情。她坚信自己可以通过信仰的锻炼来达到更好的状态,并且在某些方面做到了。但是总的来说,我认为她因无法得到医治而感到内。我记得(羞愧地)引用了关于基督的经文’这很容易,他的轭灯很亮。在我看来,如果不是’轻松而轻便’没做对。我希望今天能向她道歉。我是个白痴(现在经常是)。积极的一点是,听这个播客可以帮助我认识到切实可行的方法,可以改善其他关系患有精神疾病的兄弟姐妹。您的榜样令人鼓舞!

    JMB275的一个问题。你提到那不是’t your changing worldview and re-evaluation of 的church church that precipitated 的change in your relationship with your mother.  I’m wondering if it’s possible that 的process of developing empathy for your mother’s illness led  (or at least paved 的way for ) you to reconsider your world view?

    再次感谢您提供有意义的摩门教徒故事!

    1. 您问的JMB问题显示出很好的洞察力,并导致以不同的方式查看他的更改。谢谢。

      Best of luck with improving relationships with your siblings. I believe your efforts will be worth 的price. Be patient with yourself as well as them.

  10. 非常感谢。这是我的故事!我的母亲’的故事,以及我的第一个儿子的故事。我的天啊。太多的伤痛。但是杰伊,当你自称对母亲的爱时,我听到了你的声音。谢谢。我知道她对你的爱,我们只看到了冰山一角。这是我最喜欢的播客。娜塔莎(Natasha)做得好。我在所有五个部分都记了很多笔记。这张照片让我想起‘my’漂亮的男孩。我将此播客发送给了我疏远的母亲。我实际上以为我听到的是她和我哥哥杰伊的确切声音。我母亲有着同样的镇定,端庄的声音,充满了精神。即使她感到痛苦,也能保持很高的机能。

  11. 出色的播客!我对娜塔莎感到有些失望’s ability to keep them from exposing their real names and even more disappointed that 的editing didn’t catch that.

  12. 我要对坦率地对待这个话题表示深切的感谢。它极大地影响了我和我的家人的生活。被采访的人中的任何一个愿意对母亲的影响发表评论吗? ’丈夫和患有精神病的妻子之间的婚姻关系是否患有精神疾病?我想知道您和您的丈夫如何应对精神疾病在婚姻关系中带来的不可避免的问题。

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