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  1. Hello, 吉娜,

    我非常喜欢这次采访,并听到了您对约瑟·斯密的真正独特见解…将他描绘成一位神秘主义者,他传播了许多启发性的文学作品(《摩尔门经》等),并且您能够否认他的性成就是他人为缺陷的证据。同样,您值得鼓舞的是拒绝您的ko头,向您当地的神职人员当局反对,您的直言不讳与摩门教义背道而驰。

    我同情约翰’感到愤怒的是,当他由于反对中国竞彩比分的行为和信仰(远比国际海事组织(IMO)远比您的表达方式)最终被驱逐出境时,您正在与公开异端(到目前为止)相处。

    Permission to speak frankly, 吉娜?

    您显然根本不是一个真正的TBM(真信摩门教徒)…差远了。您不相信或接受中国竞彩比分的基本真理主张,中国竞彩比分坚持不妥协,例如,上帝和耶稣亲自向约瑟·史密斯显现,约瑟夫从实际的《金盘子》中翻译了摩尔门经。如果您居住在美国,那么您将没有资格获得任何遵照《弟兄会》指示的主教发布的圣殿推荐书。您似乎是一个非常理想化的摩门教徒的成员,该中国竞彩比分只存在于您的想象中… a 中国竞彩比分 那 has no chance of ever materializing in Real Life. John could comment about the dissociation in your psyche making 那 cognitive split possible for you …根据您自己的重新定义接受摩门教教堂,并使用您认为可以接受的颜色进行粉刷。

    回到现实…您将拥有不平凡的天赋和才华,在腹部上有着惊人的火力,他们表达了您的诚实观点并激起了公众对中国竞彩比分内多种系统疾病的讨论。

    你去女孩!

    一旦您开始更深入地了解中国竞彩比分对脆弱,无辜和被洗脑的人造成的损害,您最终可以摘下玫瑰色的眼镜,并看到中国竞彩比分的本色​​。

    In the meantime, I wish you increasing success with your blog and 播客。 People will listen to you, 吉娜, because you are eloquent, honest and fearless.

    Thanks to you and John for a great 摩门教徒的故事interview. All the best to you both!

    1. 我不’t 那 its fair to say 那 我不’相信基本主张– I just don’认为这是重点。我坦白地说’t give God’身体太想了 because 我不’认为这些主张对我的精神成长至关重要。但是,如果我认为这是真的’m all good with it!

      1. Hi, 吉娜,

        感谢您的回应!有更多的坦率发言权吗?

        您的陈述表明您确实相信中国竞彩比分’基本主张在逻辑上并不共存… vis-a-vis … “I frankly don’t give God’身体太想了”和您的播客指示您不’可以购买“黄金板块”故事或《亚伯拉罕书》故事。

        吉娜, what you are saying is 那 you do not let the Church’自己历史的卡通版本会干扰您自己的精神成长。清楚地说,你对我有意义。

        剩下的另一个大问题是,为什么要保持与一个中国竞彩比分的隶属关系,而这个中国竞彩比分根本无法说出其自身的起源和发展的真相。我敢肯定,您想成为会员的原因很长…只要对您有意义,所有这些都是有效的。

        摩尔门经是虚构的。我想你同意。受启发的小说?好吧,这种评估将取决于情人的眼睛。这个星球上的许多创意写作都是鼓舞人心的…触手可及的地方就有大量具有较高意识的精神文学作品(免费下载)。

        因此,对您来说,一个问题是:为什么将精神教育的精力投入到一本被称为欺诈的书:《摩尔门经》中?如果将其宣传为受启发的小说,那将不是欺诈。你可以说你不’t care if it’s a fraud …因为无论如何您都会发现它鼓舞人心。那’您的选择。

        无论如何,吉娜(Gina)从10,000米高的角度来看,您似乎在巧妙地努力不让耶稣基督后期圣徒中国竞彩比分干扰您自己的精神成长。 (而且’直到中国竞彩比分给你一个灵活的最后通atum只是时间问题…拒绝容忍公开,臭名昭著的异议)。

        顺便说一句,我听了你采访你丈夫的第一部分。它’很明显,他已经完全购买了教堂’人们应该完全依靠自己的感觉来确定万物的真相的范例。如果您想在这种真相验证方法上打一个洞,请观看此视频,然后向您的丈夫展示:

      2. 吉娜,
        我喜欢你的故事

        我感到非常沮丧,以至于TBM相信一个认为自己不是TBM的人,而那些继续变得不可知论,无神论者或拥有另一种信仰体系的人却没有’t accept you as TBM.

        LDS信仰中必须有一个位置,希望20%的LDS信仰者完全参与其中,但是他们拒绝接受教义而不分析其背后的原因。

        在我的BYU生物学101课中,TBM教授教给我们有关进化的知识。我向您保证,任何反映神创论事实性的答案都会导致成绩不及格。这位教授解释说,使徒詹姆斯·塔尔迈奇是一位科学家,受教并相信进化论。据我所知,神创论和LDS信仰之间没有任何理论上的联系。但是我已经读到80%的TBM也相信神创论。

        I would guess 那 it is these same 80% who take all teachings in the LDS 中国竞彩比分 as factual without analyzing them.

        吉娜, I love your blog and appreciate a TBM who is able to think for herself.

  2. Love 吉娜 and her story !…….the 中国竞彩比分 would be a much more attractive environment with more 吉娜s !
    As a convert to the 中国竞彩比分, it was not exactly a natural fit…。我参加的唯一原因是因为这就是它声称的全部…。当我发现它所代表的一切只是’站得住脚,我只需要继续前进….for me, authenticity is a must. Even so, I have fondness for the 中国竞彩比分 and can understand where 吉娜 is coming from, great interview !…..提防锤子,吉娜!

  3. I loved this episode. I forget how limited my experience is with the 中国竞彩比分 until I hear an outside perspective. I love the idea of working towards Zion instead of more city creek centers and I like to think the only way 那 will ever be possible is through honest and open dialogue. Thank you John for introducing me to 吉娜’s podcast and I’我现在要去听,继续努力。

  4. 感谢约翰花时间采访吉娜。希望它赢了’t lead to her being hunted down for 中国竞彩比分 disciplinary action but if so, I’确保她可以处理并向我们展示如何处理’s done! Haha. I agree with 吉娜 那 the 中国竞彩比分 (members in the US especially) needs to see a perspective outside their own country. Her thoughts on tithing, the message of the 摩尔门经 (albeit even if it is fictitious and simplistic), etc. I loved how she said 那 New Zealanders (or maybe more specifically, Maoris) don’t view America (and never have) as the promised land (at least not ours). We view the lands we lost, Aotearoa, as our promised land and if anything, the 摩尔门经 was what gave us this hope when certain Maori tribes accepted the 中国竞彩比分 over other 基督教 denominations. We understand what it is to be Lamanite.

    I love her idea of working towards Zion too. From listening to her own experiences of growing up outside what we might call, a traditional Mormon family, her experiences living from one spectrum of society to another, you begin to understand how it has shaped her philosophy of life and of humanity! If you want to hear a testimony of how the 中国竞彩比分 has changed one’s life, her’s is a good one. The 中国竞彩比分 should be about changing lives and she has every right to be there because we see it in her story—but alas if it’不会改变生活,那么它’s time to reform it. Also, I love how she refers to the 中国竞彩比分 as something 那 is in her “mind”太。一个很好的信息,我们应该永远“mindful” about what a 中国竞彩比分 should be—you know, using our 心神s, our brains and questioning. As Raymond E. Brown would say, not “将精力消耗在创造天生的不合理行为上,并将诠释学转变为辩护论。”

    Thank you 吉娜!

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  6. Thanks John for this fascinating interview. Its only the social glue 那 keeps me attached to the 中国竞彩比分, and 吉娜 expressed this concept very well via sharing her life experiences. And bravo 吉娜 for being an agent for positive change within the 中国竞彩比分! I especially enjoyed 吉娜’s international perspective on the 中国竞彩比分; its really tragic 那 LDS 中国竞彩比分 leaders have become a mouthpiece for conservative American politics rather than a Christlike candle in the darkness of “Christian” demagoguery. The 中国竞彩比分 needs more 吉娜s and far fewer excommunications.

  7. I’我经常觉得我信仰危机的原因是对福音的字面意思太相信了。黑白思维。现在我’我学会了接受自己的声音并习惯于在许多事情上感到不确定。在许多方面,这是非常自由的,并迫使人们自我接受自己的局限并保持谦卑。我的旅程之路变得令人兴奋。感谢约翰在您的播客中给这个可爱的女人带来贿赂。我仍然觉得有必要抱着那些鼓吹黑白思维并站稳脚跟的人,但是我对吉娜表示赞赏’对生活的看法以及她缺乏摩门教徒的文化和思想。

    1. 幸运或不幸的是,“那些讲黑白思维的人”中国竞彩比分内部的工作始于托马斯·蒙森(Thomas S. Monson),他的顾问,十二人定额组,七十个定额组等。’仅是具有足够自尊心的会员,他们将灰色和非文字的福音教义解释为将中国竞彩比分教义的方形钉子塞入真理的圆孔中所需的润滑脂。它仍然不适合,但是如果您施加了足够的油脂并用力锤击,您可以假装自己没有’t deluded yourself.

  8. Hi 吉娜,

    Interesting interview. 我不’除了我真的很喜欢您所说的以下那句话,我还有很多话要说’我现在要在任何地方偷窃和使用,“You can’从真实性退后一步。” I totally agree.

  9. On the eve of Memorial day in the United States I was struck by 吉娜’s description of America, 9/11, and Hinckley’s talk in Oct 2001 conference. While I empathize with her story and issues with the 中国竞彩比分, her comments about 9/11 attacks stuck me as anti-American propaganda as well as factually inaccurate. To imply as 吉娜 did 那 no one should have been surprised by the 9/11 attacks and 那 America’s interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan led to the attack and maybe even we deserved it were so offensive they needed to be challenged (I know she did not say we deserved it, but listen to her words and one could conclude 那 it was implied). 我不’t know what she is referring to when she said our interactions in Iraq prior to 9/11 (unless referring to the 1st gulf war, where we liberated Kuwait along with a 30 nation coalition and after enforced UN resolutions), nor what intervention there was in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 for which we deserved to be attacked (unless referring to our support of the Mujahideen in fighting the invading soviet union in the 1980’s) anyway her comments on the 9/11 terrorist attack on America were disturbing.
    另外,吉娜(Gina)表示,她被欣克利(Hinckley)困扰 talk in conference Oct 2001 where he said “we stand with the president” meaning Pres Bush. She stated this made her sick to her stomach and she didn’t go to 中国竞彩比分 for 2 weeks. I too was surprised 那 he would say “We”. So I looked up the talk and what he actually said was, “我们这些美国公民 stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions…”
    //www.lds.org/general-conference/2001/10/the-times-in-which-we-live?lang=eng

    Maye he should have been clearer 那 he was not speaking for all 中国竞彩比分 members but his statement is quite different than what 吉娜 implied he said “We stand with the President” vs. what he actually said, “我们这些美国公民 stand solidly with the president of our nation” and actually at 那 time right after 9/11 most American’s did stand with Bush on retaliating against terrorist. It was only later with Iraq 那 there were huge mistakes and public opinion turned.

    Anyway, as someone who was deeply affected by the attacks of 9/11, 吉娜’s comments needed push back.

    1. 他确实确实确实需要说清楚一点,而不包括“我们这些美国公民”要么。在入侵阿富汗的决定中,我没有支持总统。他应该说的没什么。

  10. Listening to 吉娜’s interview this Memorial day in the United States I was struck by her description of America, 9/11, and Hinckley’s talk in Oct 2001 conference. While I empathize with her story and issues with the 中国竞彩比分, her comments about 9/11 attacks stuck me as anti-American propaganda as well as factually inaccurate. To imply as 吉娜 did 那 there is no difference between the terrorist who targeted civilians and America’s actions is deplorable. She stated 那 no one should have been surprised by the 9/11 attacks and 那 America’s interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan led to the attack and maybe even we deserved it. This idea is so offensive and wrong it needed to be challenged (I know she did not say we deserved it, but listen to her words and one could conclude 那 it was implied). 我不’t know what she is referring to when she said our interactions in Iraq prior to 9/11 (unless referring to the 1st gulf war, where we liberated Kuwait along with a 30 nation coalition and after enforced UN resolutions), nor what intervention there was in Afghanistan prior to 9/11 for which we deserved to be attacked (unless referring to our support of the Mujahideen in fighting the invading soviet union in the 1980’s) anyway her comments on the 9/11 terrorist attack on America were disturbing.

    另外,吉娜(Gina)表示,她被欣克利(Hinckley)困扰’s talk in conference Oct 2001 where she believed he said, “We stand with the president” or we as 中国竞彩比分 members stand with Pres Bush. She stated this made her sick to her stomach and she didn’t go to 中国竞彩比分 for 2 weeks. I too was surprised 那 he would say “We”. So I looked up the talk and what he actually said was, “我们这些美国公民 stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions…”
    //www.lds.org/general-conference/2001/10/the-times-in-which-we-live?lang=eng

    Maybe he should have been clearer 那 he was not speaking for all 中国竞彩比分 members but his statement is quite different than what 吉娜 implied he said “We stand with the President” vs. he actually said, “我们这些美国公民 stand solidly with the president of our nation” and actually at 那 time right after 9/11 most American’s did stand with Bush on retaliating against terrorist. It was only later with Iraq 那 there were huge mistakes and public opinion turned.

    Anyway, as someone who was deeply affected by the attacks of 9/11, 吉娜’s comments needed push back.

    1. 我看到您可能会认为我对Hinckley遇到的麻烦感到无情或完全偏离轨道 ’s GC 2001 statement. The hard copy has been edited to reflect what he might have said (although I hardly think an international conference of the 中国竞彩比分 is a place to talk about US politics). What he said live was ‘we..’ not ‘我们是美国公民’。在国际上,他为此感到一阵毛病,因此是印刷版更改的原因。

      我不’认为没有哪个民族国家应该受到暴力侵害,但是当暴力国家发生暴力时,我从未感到惊讶。暴力引发暴力(《摩尔门经》的重要主题)。并提供一些背景信息,为什么我们不足为奇,所以值得一提的是,美国最近在外交政策方面的判断力差了一点,这可能会引起敌人的愤怒并引起报复(尽管在伊拉克/阿富汗案件中如果您遵循金钱公司的立场,并继续成为赢家)。

      因此,让我列出一些美国外国干预措施,尽管这些措辞一直是美国有‘保护责任’自从任命自己为国际道德仲裁者以来:索马里,波斯尼亚,科索沃,利比亚,越南。

      美国还自命为波斯湾的安全赞助人,以保护其在该地区的石油利益。两项标志着美国的重要协议’对控制海湾石油的早期兴趣是1928年的《红线协议》和1944年的《英美石油协议》。这些协议最重要的结果是抵制了控制中东石油的竞争对手。麻烦是外国势力可以’吸纳另一个主权国家的资源而不会惹恼他们,并且面对中东日益增长的阿拉伯民族主义,美国正令敌人疯狂。尽管第二次世界大战后,它在海湾国家已经翻了一番,一遍又一遍地说明了中东在战略上的重要性。这是因为那里的经济利益。即。油。

      因此,我为那些陷入企业暴力的人们感到痛心,美国在战后泥泞的水坑里彻底抛弃,试图说服其公民他们应该对捍卫自由保持高度戒备–这反过来证明了军国主义。实际上,对阿富汗和伊拉克的入侵实际上是公司大战,美国的普通公民正在为此牺牲自己的生命和他人的生命。

      1. 吉娜,谢谢您的深思熟虑和彻底的回应。关于GBH’GC谈话编辑,任何认为的中国竞彩比分’可以数千次不受惩罚地编辑其圣经(没有告诉任何人)没有问题“adjusting”会议演讲。我对您的看法感到共鸣,认为美国被失控的大狂妄想所控制,无视任何事或任何超出自身利益的人。我认为我们在美国逐渐意识到我们的政府与普通美国人的核心价值观完全脱节的事实。感谢您为现实提供更多的启示’在没有完全审查媒体的离岸地区如此明显。

        1. 我是美国人,我完全同意。美国政府认为,每个其他国家都应屈从于我们的行事方式。美国政府是奴隶。我曾经读过一位俄罗斯作家的书,他说“没有人抱怨崩溃的超级大国”在90年代初期将两者都翻新到苏联’和未来的美国。美国将像历史上所有其他帝国一样失去这种过度分散的力量。

          对于那些厌恶LDS信仰谎言的人,只需花费很少的精力就可以研究美国’参与世界事务,看到美国的东西上沾有太多的血迹(请为自由战争寻找明显的战争,开始虚假的国旗失误,’努力与中东某个国家展开中东战争)

      2. 吉娜,
        您似乎认为美国政治与美国人是一模一样的(我们’都是暴力社会中所有乐于助人的参与者。那不’甚至不涉及中国竞彩比分的一般成员,或者成员的任何地理分布状况。’超越简单化。每个州不仅有自己的“feel”,关注,问题和态度,每个县,以及每个利益,地区和病房也是如此!

        至于阿富汗入侵–支持和团结都不是’与协议相同。都一样,我“stood behind him”从某种意义上说,应对更多有计划的攻击是他的职责,“in your face”自慕尼黑以来我所记得的都比什么都重要。它也像慕尼黑一样,以各种各样的方式影响了世界的很多地方。我不’谁都不知道’不断深刻地意识到9/11并不简单,也没有“good response”。我站在布什的身后’一个拥有信息的人,所有重大决定都是他们的,所有责任都是他们的,并且拥有世界上所有的知识和完善的理解,我不会’不想穿上鞋子。“Support”在这种情况下,我希望并祈祷他们做出周到的决定。上天知道那件事在全世界范围内表达出来,所以我对欣克利总统不满’s comment.
        另一种看待它的方式是,我不相信奥巴马作为一个人,甚至不担任总统,但后来我 ’自从里根以来,我至少(至少)对每一位总统都持怀疑态度,所以我对自己的观点持保留态度。当奥巴马当选,我知道一个事实,他将永远不能只是拉从伊拉克撤军。每位现任总统都支持自己做出的一些承诺,并且之所以会迅速发生变化,是因为根本没有向总统候选人介绍任何事情–他们得到了简报,无论他们的看法如何,’所有人都必须在几个方面调整自己的世界观。我确实倾向于假设任何国家’的领导人,在任何形式的危机中,都有很短的时间就释放了很多信息,每个政客都会尽力而为,最糟糕的是,因为他们’不想被世代相传的伤害!

        I’一个住在犹他州的加利福尼亚人,但我不知道’不认识很多做过的人’9/11在宾夕法尼亚州或五角大楼有朋友/家人/朋友/家人去世或去市中心–每个事件都在2,000英里之外恐怖袭击改变了一切。您’关于您的日常生活’的关系和责任–试图安居乐业,照顾自己势力范围内的人们,保持稳定,并希望自己的生活得到发展…..在您家乡的土地上发生重大袭击是令人发指的。 9/11是受多种因素影响,但自然灾害令人震惊,基督城,佛罗里达州,法国和英国’桥梁攻击使我感到更糟,并以另一种方式伤了我的心。一世’我也会站在那些领袖的后面,并同样希望并为他们祈祷

  11. 我喜欢这种思考LDS部首的不断发展的趋势。为了提供更多观点,您将欣赏一个内容丰富的网站– (http://www.bookofmormonlit.com)that gives a pretty good analysis of Joseph and why he wrote the 摩尔门经, not intended as a basis for restoring 基督教ity, but for injecting an eclectic blend of doctrine built around skepticism from the recent (18th century’s)启蒙运动。最大的惊喜是认识到约瑟夫是藏在他门面背后的壁橱知识分子。“无知的back夫。”他实际上是一位文学上的老手–也许是19世纪’最异常的欺诈行为。

  12. Any bets on whether or not 吉娜’s local leader suddenly 感觉 inspired, wink wink, to call her in now 那 she’上过《摩门教徒的故事》吗?我知道我的钱在哪里。

  13. I have only listened to the first half and 吉娜 – I enjoyed the heck out of this so far to get to know you better, but dang did this make me 感觉 like my life is dull and boring…. 🙂

    您是摩门教的美好组成部分。

    1. 实话实说,当涉及到祈祷-奥比时,弟兄们不能’只要您保持安静,不要担心祈祷和服从’t mess with Pay.

  14. 我喜欢吉娜(Gina)承认我的事情’ve yet to hear anyone else say who knows most of the concerns with doctrine and history and yet still chooses to participate actively. Several times in the interview she talks about the 中国竞彩比分 as it exists in her head, or in her imagination.

    I’我试图向几个人解释“middle way” Mormons…他们的摩门教版本只存在于他们的头脑中。我尊重她基于这一承认的选择。

    I saw a FB post just the other day by a semi-prominent LDS scholar/teacher who criticized fundamental apologists. But by his definition the First Presidency and Q12 are fundamental apologists and therefore, they set the tone and foundation for the 中国竞彩比分 as fundamentalist (interpreting scripture word for word). So, his little brand of kinder, gentler Mormonism really only exists in his head.

    1. 有趣的观察!我不知道 ’t think its just in my head. When I think about the 中国竞彩比分 as I was growing up it always as a rag tag group of wonderful people who loved me and who I loved. They were less interested in ‘correctness’比他们建立一个互相服务的社区要多。那’s the 中国竞彩比分 I’我在想。目前,我还有一个很棒的病房,充满了热情和接纳。在事情上,我可以如我所愿,但他们仍然爱我(大部分时间)。那’每个人既有特权,也有可能–至少应该如此。就我们对学说的依恋而言,据我所知,进行这些对话并仔细思考信仰和教义是很重要的–但最终我的信念是’t拯救我的一切(今生或今生)–这是我对他人的同情心,也是我愿意看到我缺乏关注那些可以接受我而不是接受我的判断的人的缺点。

      1. 很好的答复。我认为您的版本甚至可以得到《摩尔门经》的支持,但是’不是我在美国长大的那个版本,也不是现在正在发声的怀疑者,女权主义者和同性恋者的版本,或者不是倾向于在Conf Gen演讲或编写课程手册的版本。

    2. 我完全同意dadsprimalscream写道:

      “因此,他(她)那种友善,温和的摩门教徒的小品牌实际上只存在于他(她)的脑海中。”

      OK, kids. Is 那 not a fair definition of DELUSION?

      “尽管与普遍接受的现实或理性论证(通常是精神障碍的症状)相抵触,但仍然坚定地保持了特质的信念或印象。”

      吉娜’s imaginary Mormon Church works for her because it seems 那 most of the members of her ward generally share the same delusion. 吉娜 wrote down her perception of what qualifies her for “Salvation”:

      “… in the end my belief isn’t拯救我的一切(今生或今生)– its [it’s]我对他人的同情心,以及我愿意看到我缺乏关注的缺点,而这些关注是那些可以接受我而不是我的判断的人。”

      吉娜显然不接受或相信摩门教义的救赎要求…如果我们在这里谈论到Kolob的票。如果我们要谈论的是一个较小的国度,效法耶稣的善良和体面的人们将以这种国度而告终,那么吉娜和她的病房成员应该对他们的来世住宿感到满意。

      BTW, the party with the actual mental disorder is The Brethren, not 吉娜.

      我完全称赞并支持吉娜和她所在的地方病房,彼此相爱和互相支持比跟随先知的领导人对法利赛人的谴责更为重要…会毫不犹豫地将耶稣逐出他自己的中国竞彩比分以进行背道…如果耶稣再来。

  15. 哦,我喜欢这个职位。我想如果有’s anything I’在字面意义上,它必须是文字;它们的含义,它们的来源和单词“church” is one word I’我很好奇。有趣的是“church” isn’在福音中提到,耶稣没有’似乎与宣布或创造一个有关。任何人,几年前我在法国呆了几年,对这个词非常熟悉“eglise”(中国竞彩比分)。我一直以为听起来像天使或英语。这个单词“eglise”实际上源自希腊语ekklesia,有趣的是,在新约语中该词意为“assembled” or “community,” not 中国竞彩比分. Which makes sense because Jesus was concerned with the salvation of souls and bringing forth the kingdom of God (still trying to understand what 那 means too) and his parables and miracle stories all seem to deal with helping and healing people. There is nothing in those stories 那 mention anything remotely related to what 中国竞彩比分es have come to be or mean today as some organizational power structure. I’m目前正在阅读Alfred Loisy,他称“church” as the progressive abasement of religion! So I think 吉娜 has hit the nail on the head with what a 中国竞彩比分 should mean. Maybe the Community of Christ hit the nail on the head when they changed their name to better word how to describe their community!
    (我之前发布过,但没有’看不到该帖子的出现,所以我很抱歉,如果我的帖子被重复,但是我确实在该帖子中添加了一行。 -)

  16. Yes, a totally wonderful interview! What a beacon 吉娜 is for so many who are now struggling in our Church.

    约翰(John),您在荷兰老人家的访谈中说,只要您将疑虑保留给自己,怀疑就可以了。我们亲爱的老人们正在挖一个多么深的黑洞。与之相比,从圣职禁令中脱颖而出无济于事,这构成了普通会员国的恐吓和沉默。与Joseph Goebbels相比,Brethren是否真的希望他们在这方面的活动吗?’? –因为这种比较是恰当的。

  17. 根据记录,美国不是资本主义社会。有聪明的人上这些播客和其他播客,并声称美国是一个资本主义社会,并声称困扰它的弊病是由资本主义引起的,这真是令人讨厌。资本主义或自由市场是人们自愿相互交流并交换商品或服务的时候。当一家公司做疯狂的,不负责任的事情,然后使这些行为社会化时,它就不是资本主义,而是更接近法西斯主义或其他主义,而不是资本主义。

    我完全忘了受访者说的话让我很山羊。所以,对不起,我可以’驳斥了受访者的确切主张。但是她确实很聪明,我希望她将来不会犯这个错误。

    仅供参考,经济自由指数使新西兰的经济自由指数高于美国。因此,新西兰可能比美国更像一个资本主义社会。

    对了我’我去过一次度假。美丽的国家和友好的人民!

      1. 不知道确切的用语是什么,但我称它为某些资本主义,法西斯主义和社会主义的混合体。所有这些都有某些方面。但是我会说这主要是法西斯主义,在这里我将法西斯主义定义为公司与政府的合并。美国的中央银行(联邦储备)是一个私人/政府实体,只要存在,美国就不可能成为一个真正的资本主义社会。资本主义社会意味着,当一家公司做蠢事时,它就会倒闭,但是在美国,我们发现如果一家公司足够大,该公司承担的风险就会社会化。我可以继续,但是赢了’t.

      2. 美国拥有国家资助的资本主义制度,而不是自由市场资本主义制度。在大型公司的游说者的大量帮助下,政府决定市场上谁是赢家,谁是输家。

  18. 约翰非常喜欢这次采访。我开始读吉娜’的博客,她是位聪明,体贴的女士。我真的希望她的领导人不要’改变并采用美国方式(最近看来是一种“顺我者昌逆我者亡 ” way). Having grown in a Mexican LDS environment I would say our wards were also somewhat similar to how 吉娜 described her LDS experience. We were allowed to enjoy the benefits of the Mormon 中国竞彩比分 without the harshness of the culture and crazy doctrines. Having moved to the US, I miss it sometimes.

    再次感谢您接受如此出色的采访! --

  19. 吉娜, what a breath of fresh air you are! I too believe 那 the crux of the Gospel is to love our neighbors and treat them as we would want to be treated. To the extent the 中国竞彩比分 serves as a vehicle to accomplish 那 purpose–and to bring Jesus’爱与希望的讯息–越有价值。

    Though the 中国竞彩比分’的历史问题提出了许多棘手的问题,我越来越受到越来越僵化,缺乏透明度,缺乏谦卑,缺乏认识,缺乏诚实,缺乏诚实(提案8),善良的困扰–加上妖魔化和恐惧散布(Prop8 / SSM)。让我们的成员获得公共援助令我非常困扰–勉强养活自己或家人–努力支付10%的什一税。我认为上帝会为他们所能提供的任何微薄数额而感到高兴。

    I find it difficult to 感觉 uplifted by 中国竞彩比分 attendance where I live–a very conservative area. Few and far between is instruction on hope, charity and love. The 中国竞彩比分 here is a perfect vehicle for authoritarians and authoritarian followers, who derive great comfort from the superficial “rules”(白衬衫,没有胡须)和黑白框架。更少的人可以参加/参加活动,只是向那些热爱刚性的人提供了证据,表明他们在正确的道路上前进。

    Thanks John and 吉娜 for your time and effort spent on this podcast!

    1. 这些天来,关于僵化的,专制的中国竞彩比分领导权的好评论。

      如果耶稣是今天的会员,他将很快被召唤到纪律听证会中,然后因违反LD $ Inc会员资格的当前条款和条件而被开除。

      弟兄们一直未能通过石蕊测试:耶稣会做什么?

  20. 我不’t know if I’ll want to listen to this one. I used to read the kiwi mormon blog when I was still in the 中国竞彩比分 and I got sick of the generalizations about Americans, once or twice is a mistake we all make but again and again is probably an indication of a real deep seated prejudice. To be fair 我不’t know if she still does this. My main reasons for leaving the 中国竞彩比分 had to do with bigotry (against Black people and women in 那 case) so I wasn’真的需要更多。

  21. 吉娜,你住在惠灵顿时住的病房?一世’m from Wellington and joined the 中国竞彩比分 in 2008, but I remember having very friendly conversations about less savoury aspects of the 中国竞彩比分 with the bishop (whose thoughts you have previously published on your blog), but then 那 may have been courtesy being extended to a new member.

    1. 我们在上赫特。回想起来,我们应该去惠灵顿病房并住在城镇里。内森(Nathan)访问过几次,并建议它可能适合我。那么,加内什是主教吗?

  22. 我以前从未评论过《摩门教徒的故事》,甚至从未在任何网站上发表过评论,但由于这种特殊的采访对我来说是多么有意义和及时,我不得不这么做。我喜欢那些没有做过的人的洞察力’t grow up in the American 中国竞彩比分, and I love the perspective of making the 中国竞彩比分 all 那 it can be. It has reminded me of why I stay. Thank you!

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