1120-1123年：Purves家庭：加州大学戴维斯分校，加州毕晓普及其家人如何驾驭摩门教信仰危机

摩门教徒的故事 信仰转变, LGBTQ, 婚姻& Family, 热门摩门教信仰危机故事 29条留言

For this epic episode of 摩门教徒的故事 播客, we travel to Davis, California to visit with the Purves family as they share their unique experience with a Mormon Faith Crisis. This interview continues our series exploring how a Mormon bishop, his wife, 和ir family could end up experiencing a Mormon Faith Crisis.

在这次采访中，我们涵盖：

– The goodness 那 Mormonism brought 斯科特·珀弗斯 and 乔安娜·路德（Joanna Rudd）Purves 作为中国竞彩比分青年，包括中国竞彩比分培育社区和 purpose
– Scott 和 Joanna’s 决定 to raise their family in orthodox Mormonism, culminating in the calling of Scott as Bishop in Davis, California (his home ward).
–担任主教的好处和挑战，以及苛刻的服务如何影响了乔安娜和其他家庭。其中包括与Scott的几次非常具有挑战性的互动’然后是股份总裁。
–是什么引起了摩门教主教（和他的妻子）发问，然后失去了他/她的证词？
–当摩尔蒙·毕晓普（Mormon Bishop）的女儿在BYU期间以女同性恋身份出庭时，会发生什么？全家人如何处理？
–Purves家族如何重建和重组以在摩门教正统之外找到喜悦和成就？

还有更多……

Also, this podcast continues in the 摩门教徒的故事 播客 tradition set by the 保罗&丽莎·哈金（Lisa Hacking）访谈（与儿子凯尔·哈金（Kyle Hacking））和the 莉亚·刘易斯·杨（Leah Lewis Young）和科迪·杨（Cody Young）访谈（与女儿布林利·杨（Brinley Young）），其中我们将家中的孩子纳入了访谈。这次采访包括来自不可思议的见解和智慧 玛迪·珀弗斯, 杰克·珀弗斯和 苏菲·珀弗斯（Sophie Purves） (love to 礼来公司 who had to work!).

加入我们，这个神奇而充满爱心的家庭变得强大而脆弱，可以分享他们的摩门教信仰危机带来的快乐和挑战！

第1部分–斯科特（Scott）和乔安娜（Joanna Purves）的摩门教成长：

第2部分–沿着正统家庭之路，斯科特在29岁时成为主教，与利益攸关方领导层发生冲突：

第三部分 –是什么导致Purves家人发生摩门教信仰危机，以及如何应对？

第4部分–The Purves家庭：在摩门教信仰危机之后，拥抱同性恋者，康复并学会成长为中国竞彩比分家庭：

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  1. I’m only about a third of the way through the first part, but the part about how growing up as a youth in the Church being something really special 和 something 那 non-LDS family life might not have. I disagree with 那 somewhat.

    我9岁那年，我的父母和我从加利福尼亚的Buttonwillow搬到华盛顿的中国竞彩比分小岛。我的母亲偶尔参加那里的新教教堂。我父亲曾经是中国竞彩比分大家庭的成员 ’他们的父母是原教旨主义者浸信会，每中国竞彩比分孩子18岁时，他们很少会回到教堂。但是我回想起我后来写的漫长的家族史，并认为自己过着有趣的生活。我饲养了数以百万计在我们县发现的野兔。我提出了便衣。我学会了划船去捉鳕鱼，重达56磅。我和我的父母会在退潮时拿出划艇去海湾，并用一两个干草叉铲起大螃蟹，把它们带回家做饭。我给兔子开枪，然后给妈妈开枪，我会打扫卫生，然后给他们剥皮吃晚饭。我们在沙滩上挖蛤。我们经常被给予鲑鱼，因为我父亲是个很好的烟民，而我们会得到一半，我们吃了很多鲑鱼罐头。我和我的朋友会从废弃的果园里采摘野生黑莓和鲑鱼莓，以及苹果和梨，然后吃掉它们，或者带它们给我妈妈去做馅饼。我们探索了洞穴和废弃建筑，并用在小岛上发现的黏土制成了碗。当我12岁时，我的大哥要求我为他的新船在下水之前洗礼。当我17岁那年，我的父母让我北上阿拉斯加，开始七个局部暑假之一，这个夏天经历了惊人的冒险，并为大学赚了足够的钱。 12岁那年，我父亲帮我拍摄了第一只鹿。但是，我与两个年长但冒险的父母一起生活在岛上，这让我感到非常自豪。

    我父母四十多岁’s when they had me, but I knew my family loved me. I was never spanked but I knew the limits. My dad, though an atheist, read the Bible quite a bit 和 always told me 那 the Bible was the greatest book of fiction ever written. He would talk about how to stump Bible thumpers 和 religious folk by asking two questions. After I was married, going to college 和 at my first jobs, I would ask those questions wherever I went. After an interesting encounter with the missionaries, I asked those questions 和 Mormons were the only ones who could answer them. It shocked me an so my wife 和 I became LDS for the next 40 years.

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      1. 泰勒，问题：
        中国竞彩比分好女人在中国竞彩比分大城市的街道上行走。她一生都做得很好，一直在帮助别人，但是她没有’不知道是否有神。罪犯跟随她，然后袭击她。他强奸并杀死了她。等待他被处决的他说，他接受耶稣为他的救主和主。哪中国竞彩比分去天堂，哪中国竞彩比分去地狱？我在基督教书店，校园十字军东征基督会议，浸信会和长老会教会，基督复临安息日会教堂问过这个问题。传教士说“She will be judged on her faith 和 works, 和 intent of her heart. Those other church leaders would sort of gulped 和 said 那 the man would to Heaven 和 woman to hell.

        The other question: What about all the people who have lived in the past 和 now who lived in places where they have never heard of Jesus, but yet the Bible says 那 a man must be born of the water 和 spirit…? Will they go to heaven or hell? Missionaries talked about temple work for the dead. So we were taught all the lessons, by the missionaries who rode to our home each day on the school bus, 和 on the trip of 37 miles to the stake center, to be baptized, I was stopped by the state cops because my vehicle matched 那 of a deer poacher in the area. Took a while to explain even though I was dressed in a suit. But 那 would be just one of many things 那 would happen before baptisms.

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  2. 好吧，约翰，我当了老师，但我以为是主的一员’真正的教会意味着我从不撒谎，所以当我签​​订合同时，对我来说是中国竞彩比分我会工作的承诺。我在移徙地区任小学老师的第一年，我所在地区发生了63名教师罢工，而我是唯一拒绝罢工的人。我答应了我还能做什么？“做正确的事，让后果随之而来。”而且，男孩，他们跟随了吗！还有其他几个LDS老师，他们确实罢工，这让我有些困扰。我在那里教了三年的联邦计划老师。但是我父母才80多岁’s，我想在他们的晚年与他们在一起，所以我辞职并搬到了该岛地区，并做了我能找到的任何工作。我终于试图重新开始教学，但是很快发现我被我以前教过的工会列入了黑名单。现在，我一直以为我是我见过的最好的老师。我与在芦笋田里度过了一部分时光的墨西哥孩子们取得了惊人的成绩，但是我再也无法在任何地方找到教学工作，而我热爱的职业也被缩短了。我打电话给华盛顿州公共教育局局长，他向我强调，但是过去的那片小乌云使过去的地区工作成为可能。因此，在我的父母双双去世并做了礼拜工作之后，我们祈祷并搬到了我converted依的地方，在我后来在当时的500页个人经历中写下的其他奇妙经历中，我们最终来到了中国竞彩比分像斯科特一样的股份总裁’s，谁举行了我永远不会忘记的病房圣职会议。

    谢谢你，斯科特（Scott），写了有关你的股份总裁的文章。在我发表演讲并参考了一位使徒在1970年的总会上推荐的书后，我再也没有当过我所在地区的领袖，然后被召入主教’在谴责办公室。而我不’训斥好。除了小学老师和11岁的童军助手，再也没有其他人叫过，这让我感到有些惊讶，因为当我长大时’最高级别的顾问告诉我，分行的法定主席，这意味着我主持了长老，大祭司和七十岁。“兄弟，您将终生担任教会的领导职务。但是，斯科特，听起来绝对像您有一位符合经文的总统：“这是几乎所有男人的天性和性格…..”

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  3. 对不起，如果我评论太多。我想你可以删除这种杂乱无章的东西。这个故事和斯科特，谁’诚实和正直似乎是我的镜像，很难克服。我记得有一年打电话时跟我妻子一起坐在一群姐妹的房间里，告诉我们在华盛顿州举行的一次特别会议将在距我们所在地约60英里的中国竞彩比分城镇举行。我想，电话至少来自地区政府。问题在于《平等权利修正案》的通过。那里的所有姐妹都想去，我问我是否可以去，但我确实去了，这很不寻常。我记得有4,500名妇女（该地区的所有基督教会都已获通知。），除了几百名妇女之外，其他所有妇女都是LDS。显然，这是州一级的妇女，希望迅速开会，以便在州批准。但是教堂是如此强大，并拥有如此庞大的通讯网络，以至于该教堂的通行在该州很容易被击败。这样我就可以了解Scott在说什么。但是在我生命中的这个时候，我是Ezra Taft Benson的仰慕者，因此是John Birch Society和支持教会以及妇女享有反平等权利的非常活跃的成员。我真是个白痴！但是我住在中国竞彩比分非常活跃和爱国的地区，我们的股份总裁甚至还让我在与该股份总裁在中国竞彩比分大病房的祭司会议上放映了ETB电影。谢谢，斯科特（Scott），使我想起了在教会发起的民族运动中的一小部分。我只希望我有“seen the light”像您一样在很小的时候就能够维持家庭生活。

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  4. I find it ironic 那 the emotions 那 are so clearly natural 和 tender, the ones 那 practicing members attribute to being “the Spirit”, are still felt 和 emoted when you are no longer “worthy” of it’s influence…
    The realization 那 our thoughts have so much influence on our feeling was the back before p of my faith Crisis. I had lived my life feeling led 和 guided by the Holy Ghost 💯. I felt confident in every aspect of my life by receiving conformation of the spirit.
    当我研究大脑/集中精力时，我的世界震撼了！
    I’m still rocking, back 和 forth, trying to sooth my shattered reality. It’s tough. The hardest part is not 知道ing what I believe. I based everything in what the Lord wanted 和 commanded me 和 my family to do, 那 was the why to everything. Currently we are blowing in the wind. I don’t 知道 what to tell my children to do because I don’t 知道 what the hell to do. Other than love 和 accept people I have no rubric or way of measuring or directing myself or my family.
    I am holding to the belief 那 this is part of the process, feel my feelings, work through the discomfort.
    I hope to find comfort 和 peace in the unknown 和 uncertain. I don’t 知道 那 I can believe anything abstract again 和 as an artist/creative 那 feels foreign 和 utterly devastating…
    希望有更好的日子。

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    1. 詹，您会发现情况会好转，但困难时期会不断窥视。我和我的妻子7年前停止参加会议。它 ’即使您很少或没有朋友，也很难完全摆脱这种文化。我们在该地区有很多成员，但是由于人口很少，因此最有可能进行信仰转变的疗法可能是在西雅图，开车需要10个小时。但是，正如Purves一家人表达的那样，与家人保持在一起是您最重要的事情。我们只有中国竞彩比分孩子，但是当我们向她透露我们的决定后，她逐渐变得越来越远，直到6个月前，她和家人断绝了所有联系，阻止了我们的电话尝试和电子邮件发送。我们认为这是由于教堂造成的，但我们发送了一些“摩门教徒故事”播客，以帮助她了解为什么我们不再相信。在母亲’那天我的女son给我的妻子打电话，但我们女儿却没说一句话。

      I listen to maybe 40% of the 摩门教徒的故事 和 want to highly recommend them to anyone at any stage of this journey. Since we have almost no contact with anyone—-Mormons don’t want to talk about our problems 和 non-members, especially 克里斯tians, of which there are many in small rural areas, simply tell me 那 Satan blinded us to the truth when we were in his church. Just keep listening to 摩门教徒的故事!

      Eventually I came to consider myself an agnostic which means 那 I don’t think it is possible for mankind to 知道 one way or the other whether there is a god. And studying world religions, I find 那 other religions believe their god (or gods) tells them their faith is true either by revelation, or holy book or just culture. And if it makes them happy to believe in one or many deities, 那’对我来说很好，但是从摩门教过渡后，我学会了如何真正地研究，并且在其他信仰下发现了我在摩门教中发现的谬论。

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    2. Here is something 那 I wrote 那 might be helpful. Glad for comments.

      “非对称下注：在高度不确定的环境中决策最佳实践的工具

      The most accurate model of human 决定 making theory is likely Prospect Theory. There are three stages:

      1. Editing Phase. I must realize 那 I am biased in my 决定 making 和 try to edit out the biases. Behavioural biases: framing effect, endowment effect, loss aversion, anchoring bias, peak end effect 和 duration neglect, mental accounting, alief bias, recency bias 和 any number of other human biases. I therefore do things 那 will counteract these biases to neutralize them while assembling all of the available information (and sometimes testing the options if possible).
      2. Evaluation Phase. After I have properly neutralized the human biases 和 gathered all of the information I can, I calculate the utility of each one of the 决定s. The probability multiplied by its impact on my life expected utility. This is a fancy name for a process where: I weight out the probability of each option 和 its costs/benefits 和 make a 决定s 那 will give me the optimal result (greatest expected utility).
      3.承诺和监督。选择过程完成后，我将采取行动并监视进度。

      信息独立，无偏且可靠时，这很容易。‘Value investing’（依法可以在许多国家/地区获得经过独立审核的公司绩效历史记录，我选择的公司财务状况最出色），石油生产（数量和规模的数据非常可靠，结果未知，但是通过统计分析和专家地质，我可以选择最佳的井位），并为消费者提供意大利面条酱（购买深色浓郁耐高温烤面包的人）的购买习惯，这些都是示例。如果我们能够克服人为的偏见，我们可以决定什么是解决问题的最佳方法，并轻松选择正确的决定。

      其他事物可能具有较不可靠，独立或可量化的数据。但是，此过程仍然有效，因为即使没有’t a wealth of data available on the case in question, there is still a base rate in society or in a similar category 那 can be fairly reliable 和 applied with good success, if careful. Even though the risk 那 we are wrong is higher, we are still able to come up with a solution 和 it is based on some type of evidence. Software development time, how much effort should be applied to learning a language,development of new industrial mega-projects are examples of these.

      但是，还需要做出其他决定，但是没有可靠的推论，并且很难找到或解释数据为独立，公正或可靠的数据。如果给予足够的重视，那么任何决定似乎都是正确的。在这些情况下，时间期限太长（例如，未来一百万年中人类学对行星地质的确切影响）…是+10度还是+100度？）或主题如此复杂（例如，地球外生命的性质，应该存在），以至于破坏了决策信心的所有可能性。要考虑的变量太多，导致与每个结果相关的概率差异很大。但是，我们可以解决许多这些问题’不要忽略。现在必须做出决定。

      It is for this reason 那 I, 和 others, have offered an addition to the 决定 making model: asymmetrical betting. My first real exposure to this, was from statistical trading of public securities, day-trading 和 growth 和 momentum investing. But, it has its origin origins 和 effects found in the writings of Immanuel Kant, Aristotelian Virtue Ethics, 和goes back as far as 600BC to Aesop. The idea goes by many names: ‘手里的鸟在灌木丛中值得两只鸟，’ ‘现代投资组合管理’ 和 ‘margin of safety.’雷·达利奥（Ra Dalio），莫希尼·帕布雷（Mohnish Pabrai）和纳西姆·塔莱布（Nassim Taleb）等一些更现代的作者，采用了更为精致的方法，但是还有很多其他作家。

      What is asymmetrical betting? It is making 决定s 那 are sub-optimal in order to control down-side risk 和 increase up side potentialities. It is making bets of the form: “头，我赢，尾巴，我不’t lose much.”在上述前景理论评估阶段，还增加了：

      Revised: 2. Evaluation Phase. After I have properly neutralized the human biases 和 gathered all of the information I can, I calculate the utility of each one of the 决定s. The probability multiplied by its impact on my life expected utility. This is a fancy name for a process where: I weight out the probability of each option 和 its costs/benefits 和 make a 决定s 那 will give me the optimal result (greatest expected utility). Of the 决定s 那 have a minimum acceptability, an have similar probabilities, which will give me the best combination of low downside, with high upside? Pick 那 one.

      有关非对称下注的常见问题
      • Why would you chose something 那 is less than optimal? Because I don’t 知道 what the optimal answer is 和re is no way of 知道ing it, but by positioning myself in a way 那 is acceptable in most cases, I am able to potentially gain from the uncertainty.
      •Doesn’t this mean 那 there isn’t an optimal answer? Maybe. But the question is really irrelevant. Whether truth is truth 和 independent to my detection matters little to my 决定 making paradigm. I do, from experience, understand 那 A is A 和 那 what I do matters to me. It matters what I do. How do I 知道? I don’不知道。经验是我唯一的指导，从经典的角度讲，我不能‘know’真理是否独立且与我对真理的看法分开，但我当然不知道’t need to 知道 to make 决定s.
      •为什么不等到获得更多信息后再作出承诺？在很多情况下，例如在投资中，时钟总是对我们不利。在这些情况下，等待本身就是中国竞彩比分‘decision’无所作为。在其他情况下，将永远不会有足够的信息来更改情况。
      • Why not try one thing out 和n the other 和 so on? Experimentation to come to a better solution? In some 决定s one cannot go back. For example, I am reasonable certain 那 killing someone in cold blood is an experience 那 one cannot both do 和 not do. After doing it, I can never try the experiment of living my entire life without having actually killed someone in cold blood. There are just some 决定s 那 cannot be reversed.”

      帕特里克

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  5. Thank you for this wonderful podcast. My wife 和 I are struggling through our own faith crisis 和se types of episodes are vital to us. I have listened to so many MS podcasts the last few months I sometimes hear John in my head narrating my life. It’s amazing to me how universal the experience is for devout TBMs who come across the Church’s troubling history 和n realize the deceitful coverup. We feel so angered 和 betrayed, but (like Scott) mostly heartbroken. We are still trying to find our way in this mess, so I appreciate the vulnerability displayed by all of you, especially in the last episode answering the “Questions of the Soul”. This is the most difficult part in our faith transition. I’m coming to terms with the fact 那 there may not be answers.

    我希望您的家人万事如意，并再次感谢您愿意分享您的故事。

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  6. 我爱这个家庭！这么好的氛围！感谢您分享您的时间和经验。它帮了我很多。丈夫仍然是真正的蓝色早晨。其余八个有三个孩子。我都爱他们

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  7. 我在第二部分，并且是如此伤心听到你爸爸和他的胡子的故事！这让我很生气！
    My wonderful faithful home teacher from years ago was also in the stake, 和y made him shave his beard, 和 he had had a cleft lip 和 palate repaired! So he could no longer soften his scar!!!! I asked him if he preferred his beard 和 he said he did. When I expressed my disgust 那 he would be forced, he just shrugged.
    那种毫不妥协的傲慢和欺负太可悲了！！！

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  8. 你好约翰，

    I’我很高兴您做了这个播客。谢谢。愿祝福和欢乐降临在Purves一家人身上。 LDS教会（以及全世界的LGBTQ成员）及其家人和朋友需要继续聆听和发声–高声。这些在上帝中宝贵的姐妹和兄弟’s family have been mistreated, minimized, 和 ignored for so, so long, 和 I weep with joy 那 rectification has, at last, begun to unfold.

    但是，我认为仍然会忽略大量的人口统计数据：如此出生或’ve become such.

    这些人只是为了穿衣服而经历曲折的时光，他们依靠他人的怜悯生活，而这是许多理所当然的事情。这些人还没有被发表或获得奖项，或者在财务上没有成功，或者在媒体中受到关注或关注。当然有例外，但很少。

    永远单身是另中国竞彩比分群体。不过，该人群已经成为过去的焦点。不过，对于您关注的那些人，约翰似乎始终如一地具体描述，我认为将其扩展到其他’经常被忽视，谁也有很多要教给我们的。

    我说所有这些都是通过反馈媒介的个人见解。非常感谢您和您的同事所做的一切。这确实是一项了不起的工作。愿上帝保佑并与您，紫团和每个人在一起。爱爱。

    亚伦·约翰逊

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  9. 非常感谢您如此脆弱，分享了许多我聆听的温柔时刻，我反思了很多相似的感受，除了我在其中成长，牺牲和爱着的教会，别无他求，但现在能够看到它不仅造成了我自己，而且造成了如此多的奇妙的人。我的内心充满了活力，在这个真正令人难以置信的家庭中，我有许多美好的回忆，希望他们知道我有多爱和钦佩他们！斯科特（Scott）对两位总统的描述使我回想起了太多的情绪，他们的性格迥异。我不尊重第中国竞彩比分总统，并且在他担任主教时担任第二个总统的顾问，并且不能说足够的好。他是中国竞彩比分真正的善良的人。正如斯科特所表达的那样，我感到非常震惊，当我意识到教会不是真实的时候，我感到非常沮丧，当教会成为您多年生活的焦点时，这是中国竞彩比分可怕的过渡。我为您的孩子感到非常自豪，并对他们的成长感到惊讶！

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  10. 我听了所有四个情节，发现它们很有趣。一世’我一直在寻找“trigger” 那 first causes these TBM families to crack their faith 和 start taking their “shelf items”赋予它们新鲜，硬朗的外观。他们一分钟’re willing to take those 货架物品 down, 那’似乎是末日的开始。所以’s all about the 触发s 那 prompt them to take them down.

    这是您的第二个TBM家庭’ve最近的触发因素似乎是“calling burn-out”. (The Youngs being the other notable one.) This is a 触发 那 I formerly discounted, but now I’m beginning to realize it must be much more significant than I thought. I can see some signs of it in my own still-faithful family 和 it appears 那 with the shortening of Church services, abandonment of home teaching, etc., 那 the Church is also cognizant of the phenomenon. If Calling Burn-out is so prevalent 和 it is causing many families to take down their 货架物品 和 re-examine them, then it is potentially the greatest single threat to the Church at present.

    如果呼叫倦怠导致会员说“我从这笔交易中得到什么？”, then they look at their 货架物品 in a new light, it’凯蒂（Katie）的教堂门口。他们’他们成群结队地离开，因为他们意识到自己付出的远远超过了获得的回报。

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  11. 这个家庭给我留下了深刻的印象。首先，因为他们’重新成为巨人球迷！其次，因为他们每个人都如此体贴和明智。妈妈，JD Goates是我的表弟’s son 和 I’ve been proud of the good 那 he has done 和 glad you got to 知道 him. It’听到您的家人真是太好了’的旅程以及你的方式’ve all handled it in such a seemingly healthy way. The love you have for each other is very evident 和 I dont have any doubt 那 you will all go on to lead happy 和 productive lives. When you are not constrained by a predetermined path, the sky is the limit. Go Giants!

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  12. 我很感兴趣地听了这一集。我经历了自己的信仰过渡，并且离开教会已有6年以上。我与斯科特所说的大部分内容有关，但也与我在教堂里长大的经历形成鲜明对比。史考特’的感受和挫败感是绝对正确的。它’s incredibly frustrating to work hard 和 sacrifice so much 和 to be given so little appreciation in return. However, I think it is also helpful to recognize 那 Scott was/is in a position of privilege 和 many members of the church who are not able-bodied white men (women, people of color, people with disabilities, single people, LGBTQ+) face many of these frustrations, but compounded. For example,

    1.我喜欢在教堂里获得的领导机会。我很高兴成为YW的领导者并指导年轻的女孩们。但是，这类领导机会对于女性而言极为罕见，而对我而言却很少。为了真正渴望领导和指导他人，我必须在职业生涯中寻找机会。
    2. Scott talks about his hope to be a Bishop/Stake President/Mission President 和 frustration 和 disappointment 那 came with those dreams being squashed by an authoritarian Stake President . Many people in the church can not even hope for such opportunities, because they will never have them despite how righteous they are.
    3.斯科特称利益高议会为主教’s graveyard. I think he is trying to express his disappointment at being demoted from the upwardly mobile leadership track he was on. I was a bit taken aback by this comment, because of how often I have wished 那 women could serve on Stake Councils so 那 they had the opportunity to serve on the Stake level, have some influence on Stake level 决定s, 和 have a voice in disciplinary counsels.
    4.教会中的许多妇女都经历过微观管理，与斯科特总统被对待斯科特的方式相似，被别人冷落或被忽略的经历。但是，我认为领导者比男性更可能对待以这种方式主持的女性。

    None of this is to attack Scott or diminish his real experiences. My hope is to add an additional perspective into how the frustrations 那 Scott felt are shared by many members who are dismissed outright from leadership opportunities or a voice in 决定 making in the church simply because they don’不符合教会领袖的模范。

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  13. 谢谢你，斯科特（Scott），感谢我。相信我，你’re forgiven for the “wish I’d said” at my hearing. I’m kicking myself for not being more forceful 和 Abinadi-like when I knew 那 was a kangaroo court with a pre-determined outcome.

    I was grateful for 那 four hour pizza fest you 和 I had together. If there’我想念萨克拉曼多的一切，’s 那 we were located in an area where readers could drop by 和 meet now 和n. Now 那 we’我们搬到大白北（爱达荷州桑德波因特），我们’re out of the way.

    不错的采访。能够看着并注视着您的家人真是太好了。

    岩石

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  14. 摇滚，至少你不知道’你周围没有很多摩门教徒。当中国竞彩比分人离开博伊西并在95岁时朝北行驶时，摩门教逐渐淡化。一世’m about 3 counties south of you, six if I stay on main highways. Your essay on the prophet who talked about the Founding Fathers asking to have their temple work done for them, 和 how 那 story changed so much over the years, was one of the stories 那 helped on my faith journey. Thanks for the good info I got on “Pure Mormonism”。做出决定后，我很少去那里或到Snuffer网站了。但是，几年后我仍然签出“Mormon Stories” often.

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  15. 约翰·德林的8个主题以及我对它们的答复。今天我真的很喜欢听Purvis一家人整理床铺，洗碗，整理食物！离开lds教会7年后，坐在这里坐在电脑旁，思考我对这些事情的感觉！

    1.道德–如果您是中国竞彩比分有道德的人–您是中国竞彩比分有道德的人–在教堂内或教堂外！

    2. spirituality – I am a spiritual person, but not a “religious” person – I still have “feelings” of doing good 那 comes to me 和 I still act on those feelings sometimes 和 sometimes I don’t; just like when I was a TBM. In a world as big as ours, there are many ways of receiving our spirituality – whether from God, or Jesus, or a higher power or even Karma! I do believe there is something more.

    3.如果没有TBM观点，人生的目的是什么？我回到耶稣所说的-彼此相爱。要善良，不要故意伤害别人，要有快乐，要有满足感-如果没有耶稣，我还是想这样生活！

    4. friends 和 community – When I first resigned – I really missed my ward! I even visited from time to time. I also joined a non-denominational church – made friends with the lady’s bible study group 和 那 helped a lot. But I still miss my Mormon friends. As the years have gone by, it has been much easier – I guess it just takes time! I do like not having to “saving” others 和 just enjoy being in the here 和 now – what if this is all we have? What if there is no life after death – I would hate 那 I used all my time trying to get me 和 all my family 和 friends there 和 we don’t have a “there!” I have a hope for life after death – but I can no longer say “I KNOW” about it.

    5.家人–我现在想与家人和朋友度过尽可能多的时间–以防万一死后不会在一起生活。自从我成为lds教堂的信徒以来，我并没有因为离开而失去任何家庭；但我看到相反的情况。

    6. service – there are tons of ways to serve – just start paying attention to your community. There are also real “Missions” you can serve with organizations 那 go overseas 和 dig wells, build homes, teach children, go on a medical mission in the USA or overseas. And most communities need volunteers in lots of different areas. You don’t have to feel guilty if you don’t want to serve in this time of your life – do it when you want to!

    7.tithing/giving – I love giving my tithing to people or organizations 那 I really want to help!

    8.死亡–参见＃4

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  16. 我爱约翰’s comment about tithing. I also still pay tithing. It is just in a different way 那 I have in the past. I find a need 和 help. My son does this too. So, I didn’t get a 10% raise as people say. I just put it where it is needed not to a multi billion dollar corporation. This includes Mormon stories. This is a much needed podcast, 那 has helped so many. Thank you
    另外，恭喜您能够放松！请享用！哈哈Love it！

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  17. 我非常担心同性恋女儿在BYU期间对女友的所作所为。显然，同性恋女儿觉得有必要向她的主教shop悔。因为她ed悔，所以她的治疗/惩罚比在类似情况下的其他人所接受的对待/惩罚温和。但是跟她在一起的那个女孩呢“committing the sin”（描述？）？？？女儿说她确实告诉主教另中国竞彩比分女孩的名字。我想知道如何对待/惩罚另中国竞彩比分女孩，那个没有挺身而出的女孩，“confess” on her own. I’我敢肯定，这比Purves小姐收到的要苛刻得多。我为简单地解雇另一位年轻的同性恋女人并将她扔给狼群的能力而感到沮丧。一世’我肯定通过郊游女友可以保存一些自己的皮肤，但是这对出差女友的女儿来说很难说。首先让自己进入Gestapo，然后将您的朋友扔给狼=“我的需求是第一位的，我不会考虑或关心您的任何影响”.

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  18. 我听了你们每个人以及这个播客中的讲话。毫无疑问，我们都应该感谢您的共同经验，但是实际上，您已经回响了我从许多其他x-Mormons那里听到的信息。那你’我已经把婴儿和洗澡水一起扔了出去，不再有中国竞彩比分明确定义的精神指南针。斯科特（Scott），在摩门教历史上遇到重大问题时，因为除了传统摩门教教义中所发现的之外，您的生活中没有基督的基础，所以您的家庭基本上得出了上帝没有’它不存在，并且确实与基督没有任何真正的联系。在成为TBM之后，很难找到自己的地方’从宣教领导到病房领导，再成为中国竞彩比分如此优秀的家庭。审判，也许是摩门教文化中最令人讨厌的特征，已经改变了。
    通过所有您分享的内容，可以从杰克得出结论’s own words, “你不再在乎。”我已公开争取LGBTQ权利，但马蒂（Matty）的家人’你所说的过渡似乎对你来说是一种性便利，而不是其他。唐’不要误会我，我们都欣赏生活 ’s pleasures, but where was your heart 和 thoughtful concern for your girlfriend who was apparantly thrown under the bus in your 承认ional. Hopefully we will care more about others 和 recognize who we really should be.
    My awareness of church history issues goes back decades, 和 I can honestly share with you 那 the truth we should be rooted in is directly connected to our Savior 和 loving gospel of Jesus 克里斯t found in the New Testament. I remember my own grandfather, himself a beloved bishop saying, if it wasn’对于耶稣基督的福音，教堂里的人们很久以前就将其摧毁。摩门教的等级制度在受到启发时可能是一种福气，而在依靠自己的理解时则是中国竞彩比分可怕的绊脚石，
    尽管如此，仍有太多摩门教徒发现其前任领导人不诚实，以此为借口降低自己的言论，思维方式和做事方式。教会将继续发展；它必须生存。什么’s more important is 那 there are people in the world 那 don’t meaure themselves by the compromised character of others, but 那 stand up for those principles 那 they recognize in their hearts are worthy 和 worthwhile. 克里斯t spoke of two interrelated commandments on which were based all the laws of the prophets. He didn’不要说如果摩门教领袖达不到要求就做什么。他说，“Love.”

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  19. Keptha，您似乎是一名基督徒，并对为什么许多神父不再相信基督感到惊讶。只需回答我将要给您的这些简短问题，也许这种信念或不信念就会变得更加清晰。

    如果您出生在阿拉伯，并且已经长大以跟随《古兰经》 ’中国竞彩比分好穆斯林的父母，去了一所穆斯林学校，娶了中国竞彩比分穆斯林女孩，并生下了穆斯林孩子，你现在会信仰什么？基督徒还是穆斯林？什么会决定您将遵循哪种宗教？如果您是穆斯林，您是否会注定要下地狱，因为您不相信耶稣是上帝的儿子？

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  20. 我今天听完了。与其他许多情节一样，它帮助我继续整理自己的态度和经验。我特别感谢最后一部分以及Purves一家人’s willingness to comment on the difficult questions regarding morality 和 meaning 那 can follow a faith transition. When you’re already being vulnerable 和 open like this, I imagine it can be even more difficult to go one step further 和 discuss things 那 aren’t定下来以及生活的方式’t necessarily happier after a faith transition. But 那 can be refreshing to hear.

    与上述Aaron所说的类似，在以后的情节中与那些’t have a close family or supportive friends. Maybe even someone introverted, though 那 might be an impossible goal given the format.

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  21. 非常感谢Purves一家人脆弱并为他们的信仰之旅敞开大门。我听了所有这些，他们的信仰斗争的诚意给我留下了深刻的印象。

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  22. 真的很喜欢这些情节。我仍然是中国竞彩比分信徒，但总是乐于倾听他人的观点。虽然说实话，这对夫妻’公开的领导愿望有点令人沮丧，“我们想当团长”, “现在我正要当教堂的看门人”, “that’s why we are here” (to climb the leadership ladder). Completely opposite of how I approach church service (having served at all levels). I always suspected there were members like this but my heart sunk a little to actually hear someone say it so openly. (and to realize 那 many who are currently in these positions, wanted them desperately). Sigh…不过，很喜欢听到他们的故事。和我们 ’所有人都与斯科特等领导人接触’的股份总裁，可悲的是。

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